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Twenty Years of Free Land Camp

Nia Tero Season 4 Episode 6

Acampamento Terra Livre, or Free Land Camp, is the largest Indigenous mobilization in Brazil and 2024 marked its 20th year, as 9,000 Indigenous People from across Brazil – and the world – gathered in Brazil’s capital, Brasilia, to defend their rights and their lands. With more Indigenous representation in the Brazilian government than ever, some things have changed in twenty years, but the “Marco Temporal” law that could limit many Indigenous Peoples' rights to their lands loomed over the gathering. In this episode, hear many of the sounds, chants, music and voices from Acampamento Terra Livre 2024. 

The fight for Indigenous rights in Brazil is a fight for everyone: for planet Earth, for the climate, for social justice. No matter where in the world you are, this fight is also for you. 

Host, Producer, Translator, Audio Mix: Marianna Romano. Additional Production: Idjahure Kadiwel. Story Editors: Jenny Asarnow, Maria Fernanda Ribeiro. Special thanks to Nara Baré and Daniela Lerda.  

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Twenty Years of Free Land Camp
Seedcast Season 4 Episode 6

Release Date: June 19, 2024 

[00:00] [Chanting and singing at Acampamento Terra Livre, 2024]  

[00:17] Daiara Tukano: [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI voice from ElevenLabs overdub in English]: We are here celebrating 20 years of Free Land Camp, which has become the largest Indigenous mobilization not only in Brazil, but in the world, gathering hundreds, thousands of leaders coming from all over the country to dialogue in front of the Brazilian state in the defense of our original rights.  

[00:45] Kretã Kaingang [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI voice from ElevenLabs overdub in English]: A lot of young people who started back then and now became great leaders representing the national movement at the level of international movement. I do believe that if we were to think of a “University of the Struggle”, the Free Land Camp would be it.  

[01:08] Valeria Paye: [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI voice from ElevenLabs overdub in English]: It has really become a gathering space for the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil, which is a space worthy of visibility for the Indigenous struggle and visibility for the society of this Indigenous being that we are.  

[01:29] Daiara Tukano: [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: I think this moment of 20 years of Free Land Camp is doing an exercise in memory, honoring their historical leaders. Some leaders here of more than 100 years, great prayers, centenary leaders who crossed all this period of Brazil and who come here today with their children, their grandchildren, their great-grandchildren. This year, even the camp became a grandfather. He is 20 years old. Here are the children of ATL, the grandchildren of ATL. 

[02:06] Marianna Romano [host]: Welcome to Seedcast, I'm Marianna Romano. And I recently attended the 20th edition of Acampamento Terra Livre here in Brazil, otherwise known as Free Land Camp.   

[Seedcast theme song begins]

Marianna: Free Land Camp is where Indigenous Peoples of Brazil go to demand their rights to their lands and to their cultural ways of being. Also to share their culture and celebrate.

I was there with my production partner Idjahure Kadiwel, and we interviewed many people to make up an episode here on Seedcast, with the goal to capture a little bit of the feeling of what it's like to be there, for those who are not able to go.  

In intro you heard the voices of Kretã Kaingang, Daiara Tukano and Valéria Paye, speaking in Portuguese. And you heard English overdubs generated by Artificial Intelligence… which you’ll hear throughout this episode. 

[Seedcast theme song lyrics] 

[03:22] Marianna: The Free Land Camp took place in Brasilia, the capital of Brazil, in the end of April 2024, and brought together approximately 9,000 Indigenous people from all regions of Brazil for the defense of Indigenous rights and demarcation of Indigenous lands. 

And by the end of the event, they delivered a letter to the Brazilian government – named “Urgent Declaration of the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil.”  

Here is the beginning of it, read by Idjahure Kadiwel.  

[Chants and sounds of percussion instruments from Free Land Camp 2024 play in background] 

[03:53] Idjahure Kadiwel, reading the Urgent Declaration of the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil: 

We, Indigenous Peoples, are Time itself.
 
 We are charmers of this time that is like a serpent, with many curves, a story that cannot be simplified as a straight line.
 
 Who could have imagined that, after more than five centuries of colonization and extermination, we would be here, firm as our forests, chanting our songs and playing our maracás, in resistance for life and the well living of all society.
 

Twenty years of Free Land Camp!  

The first, held in 2004, brought together 240 Indigenous people.  

Today, in Brasilia, we are here with about 9000 people, representing more than 200 Peoples, who came from all regions and biomes of this Brazilian territory to say: ”OUR LANDMARK IS ANCESTRAL! WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HERE!”

[Idjahure’s last line echoes as music from the gathering increase in volume] 

[05:13] Marianna: Over the years, Acampamento Terra Livre has become the main forum of the Brazilian Indigenous movement. Here is another passage from the letter.  

[05:23] Idjahure Kadiwel, reading the Urgent Declaration of the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil: 

Just as our ancestors did, we will endure to the end, even if it means putting our own lives at stake, to protect what is most sacred to us: our Mother Earth. We are committed to the right to live with dignity and freedom, seeking the well living of current and future generations of our Peoples and humanity. 

What worries us is not death. This, we know closely. Death and life are part of the serpent of time that transits over the earth, within the waters and in the canopy of the highest trees. What worries us is the cowardice of those who try to dominate the indomitable time and seek profit from our deaths. In this statement we declare: THERE IS NO MORE TIME FOR YOU!  

We strongly reject any attempt by the federal government to resume public policy without ensuring the essentials: demarcation, protection and sustainability of Indigenous territories in the first place. Any initiative that does not prioritize these aspects will only be a palliative and insufficient measure. It is essential that land demarcation is respected and protected, without deviations or manipulations. The territorial rights of Indigenous Peoples are non-negotiable and must be preserved at all costs.  

[Sounds of percussion and music fade out, and ambient sounds of a gathering of people fade in] 

[07:24] Marianna: The camp took place in the center of Brasilia, in an open-air cultural park, which over the days became a village of many Indigenous communities with the aim of discussing the political future of Indigenous Peoples.  

Brasilia is the capital of Brazil. The climate is dry, the city is full of cars, and the heat in April is very strong. Even so, the camp brings together thousands of participants with the aim of pressuring the government for the rights of Indigenous Peoples – right where governance takes place.  

Hundreds of makeshift tents shared the space with robust structures representing Indigenous organizations, health care, press conference, cinema and the "trajectory corridor", which displayed a history of the 20 years of Acampamento Terra Livre. 

Serving as a community center of this temporary village, the main tent stood tall – a huge structure, equipped with stage, screen, sound system and two side stands. All this preserving original grass floor of the space.  

Brazil is home to around 305 Indigenous Peoples, and in the camp, representatives of many of them were able to present their songs, dances and customs. as well as their specific demands and projections. 

[Sounds of chanting at Free Land Camp 2024] 

The main tent hosted an intense program of cultural demonstrations, tributes, debates, reading documents, manifestos, plenary sessions and shows performed by Indigenous artists on the nights of each day of the camp. 

[09:20] Kretã Kaingang [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: The Free Land Camp also gave us the opportunity to meet many relatives, the opportunity of us to make this cultural exchange, to make exchanges between People.  

[09:32] Marianna: This is Kretã Kaingang, an important Indigenous leader. He's the Son of Angelo Kretã, who one of the main Indigenous leaders during the military dictatorship period in Brazil.
  
Kretã Kaingang is the Executive Coordinator of the Articulation of Indigenous Peoples of the Southern Region, or ArpinSul, one of the seven regional organizations that make up the Articulation of Indigenous Peoples of Brazil, APIB.  

He is also one of the founders of the Free Land Camp.

[10:05] Kretã Kaingang [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: I think one of the things that evolved a lot about the camp was mainly the awareness on the part of the relatives, because today you see a structure, these structures that are set up here, right? 

And today, when we see, for example, all this structure, we see all these relatives mobilizing in their regions and for a long time it was the organization's responsibility to bring delegations.  

Today we see that delegations organize themselves to come. And they don’t feel it’s the responsibility of the local organization to bring all the people. People are starting to get organized and come on their own. We have a main kitchen, for example. And more, the delegations also have their kitchen to be able to make their food. 
 
When we started the Free Land Camp, one of our agendas was the creation of a ministry that was linked to Indigenous Peoples, with our own minister and our own secretaries, our own technical team made up of Indigenous People.  

[11:21] Marianna: The first ATL took place in 2004, during the first presidential term of Luis Inácio Lula da Silva, the on-again, off-again Worker's Party president of Brazil who is back in office now. Faced with the government’s neglect to conduct an Indigenist policy in tune with the real demands and aspirations of the Indigenous movement, a demonstration was organized to take place in the country’s capital.  

The demonstration had about 2000 participants, who camped in protest in front of the Ministry of Justice. From this mobilization, APIB was created, the Articulation of Indigenous Peoples of Brazil. 

[Calming music continues under next section] 

[12:03] Simão Norivaldo Guarani Kaiowá [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: It began when we had those whole government threat on Indigenous territories, which were supposed to be demarcated.  

[12:17] Marianna: This is Simão Norivaldo Guarani Kaiowá, originally from Mato Grosso do Sul. He is the executive coordinator of APIB by Aty Guasu, the great assembly of the Guarani and Kaiowá peoples. 

[12:30] Simão Norivaldo Guarani Kaiowá [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: So, from 2004 on, we felt the need to meet with several leaders here in Brasilia, and several leaders came, and we did not have this number of people. We probably had 200 people. When ATL started, we came to the fight to defend our rights in our territories. And from there, we never stopped meeting with the leaderships, with all the people of Brazil, because we show the government that we are resisting. And today we see the amount of people who understand the importance of ATL, to fight for their rights, for their territory.  

[13:20] Marianna: As an organic and ever-growing movement, there are many people who have been to ATL many times before, but also many who came this year for the first time. Genésio Yanomami is one of those people who are here for the first time this year.

[13:34] Genésio Yanomami [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: Yeah, it’s the first time seeing this ATL Indigenous movement. I feel emotional and joyful and strengthened. I feel very welcomed to see so many Indigenous People of different backgrounds. 

[13:55] Marianna: Adrielle, from the Guarani People, lives in Tapirema village in São Paulo. She is also in Free Land Camp for the first time. She says that seeing so many people together gives the feeling of great energy, and that this mobilization is common to all.

[14:12] Adrielle [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: It's incredible to see that it is not only you who is in the fight, there are many people too. 

[14:20] Marianna: I asked her what she’s taking home from this gathering. 

[14:23] Adrielle[Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: I will bring a lot of wisdom, a lot of strength and a lot of spirituality too. And also talk to those who did not participate in the camp – that is a very important movement. That we are here not for nothing. No one came for nothing. We came for one goal – everyone. 

[14:43] Marianna: Jociel Tariano is an environmental management student, and this is the second Free Land Camp that he attends. He came with 80 other university students.  

[14:52] Jociel Tariano [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: We came by bus, traveling about 12 hours or so.

[14:56] Marianna: He knows that it is not easy for the various Indigenous Peoples to be in the camp, especially in a gigantic country like Brazil. The logistics are not easy. 

[15:07] Jociel Tariano [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: I know that the access from the Amazon to Brasilia is very difficult, because the delegations have this difficulty of financial resource. I came here. those who are here are doing very well in representing us. So I tell the relatives that if they have the opportunity to come, to come. I know the cost is high, but the experience is well worth, you know?  

[15:30] Marianna: He says that although the city of Brasilia is very different from his community in Iauaretê, in the Alto Rio Negro Indigenous Land, in the Camp he can feel a little more at home. Especially because in the last three years he studies in Campinas, very far from home.  

[15:48] Jociel Tariano [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: I live in the interior of São Paulo now, trying to graduate. So, coming here, I feel a little more at home, you know?  Even they brought flour to make chibé to share here, which for me was very good, because it’s been a while since I drank it.

[16:06] Marianna: Xibé is a drink, mixture of water with cassava flour, made to quench thirst at any time of the day, much appreciated by the people of Rio Negro and the Amazon. It has a very toasty flavor. It’s very nice.  

[16:22] [Music with multiple vocals and instruments is heard at Free Land Camp 2024 and continues as people speak] 

[16:51] Marianna: This Free Land Camp had the presence of non-Brazilian Indigenous who came to know and sympathize with the cause. Rafael Kubeo, from the Colombian Amazon, came with a team of Indigenous People who work with communication for the National Organization of Indigenous Peoples of the Colombian Amazon, OPIAC. He understands that the guarantee and recognition of Indigenous territories is a matter of global importance.  

[17:18] Rafael Kubeo [Speaks in Spanish, with AI overdub in English]: But if they continue like this with Indigenous Peoples, without territory, without realizing the role of Indigenous Peoples play in the world, will be very difficult that in 10, 15 years from now, we won’t go into a severe climate crisis.  

[17:36] Marianna: Sof’, of the Sámi people, is in the Free Land Camp for the first time. 

[17:30] Sof’ Elle Beaivvi Mira: My Sámi name is Sof’ Elle Beaivvi Mira. And my Finnish name is Mira Rauhala. Mira. And my Finnish name is Mira. I come from Sápmi and it spreads across four countries: Finland, Norway, Sweden and Russia.  

[17:55] Marianna: She told us that in her territory, Sápmi, there is also a gathering of Indigenous Peoples. 

[18:01] Sof’: We have our People there, and then we also have guests from other Indigenous groups. But ATL is like ten, 20 times bigger. And I think it has a really big political meaning compared to the festivals that I'm used to in my territory.  

[18:23] Marianna: Yaku, from the Quechua people of northern Argentina, now lives in Brazil and is not the first Free Land Camp that he attends. He sang a little bit for us in Quechua language, in a song that talks about the importance of the territory.

[18:38] [Yaku sings a capella in Quechua] 

[19:13] Yaku [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: This song talks about the territory and the resistance of the People. We need to move forward.  

[19:22] Marianna: As much as the meetings between peoples are a cause for much celebration, the mission and origin of this meeting is the defense of the rights of Indigenous Peoples. It is to show that Indigenous Peoples are willing to mobilize to press the authorities for their rights and the lives of their Peoples.  

After four years of far-right government in Brazil, Indigenous Peoples thought that the Lula government would bring greater agility in the demarcations and protection to Peoples. But the process has been much slower than it could legally be. And even now, a dangerous law is in front of the Brazilian Congress.
 
 [20:03] Simão Norivaldo Guarani Kaiowá [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: The time frame proposal for us means a genocidal landmark.  

[20:12] Marianna: It’s called Marco Temporal – and it would limit Indigenous claims to their lands so that only People who were in their lands, or claimed their lands, or already disputed the lands they are in, in 1988 could have any hope of legal claim. Of course so many Peoples were displaced from their lands in the first place, after hundreds of years of colonization. This proposed Marco Temporale law passed in a preliminary vote in Congress and endangers the existence of Indigenous Peoples on their lands.  

[20:46] Alberto Terena: [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: Look, we didn’t want to be here.

[20:51] Marianna: This is Alberto Terena, APIB’s Executive Coordinator for the Terena People’s Council. 

[20:57] Alberto Terena [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: The Supreme government [sic: Supreme Federal Court] determined the unconstitutionality of this Law and then the Congress backs out and brings this Law again. 

[21:07] Marianna: Being in the Camp is one of the ways to put pressure on the government and remove all doubts: a time frame - or any law that limits Indigenous rights to their territories – is against Indigenous life and against the future of the planet. 

[21:24] Alberto Terena: [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: The importance of us being here is to tell the government that from our territory we do not move our foot, we have the original right. Our rights are ancestral, right? We were already here, and we are here, and here we will continue.

[21:46] [Sounds of a march at Free Land Camp 2024]  

[21:52] Marianna: The Free Land Camp was marked by two marches. They left the camp, marching through the Esplanade of Ministries, all the way to the Three Powers Square, guided by songs and slogans.   

Indigenous representatives of various Peoples attended solemn sessions in the National Congress. A letter was also read with the most urgent demands, entitled “Letter of the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil to the Three Powers of the State.” It includes lists to each of the powers, the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary, with objective points and measures the Indigenous Peoples expect to be taken. It is a powerful document, which sends an important message: If it’s for lack of idea where to start, those in power – start here.  

Right now, The Brazilian Congress is mostly ruralist. By ruralist, I mean with rural interests in mind, favoring exploitation of lands rather than protecting it, which hinders the progress of legislative proposals for the life of Indigenous Peoples. That is why it is so important to occupy these spaces of power, and also show that the people are informed and expecting action. 

As a way to make clear the main agendas of each edition, in recent years the organization of the Free Land Camp has adopted themes that call attention to the most urgent demands faced by Indigenous Peoples. And the theme of this year is "our land mark is ancestral: we have always been here!"   

Daiara Tukano, visual artist and activist, comments on this year’s theme: 

[23:51] Daiara Tukano [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: The motto of this Camp is "our land mark is ancestral,” right? This idea alludes to the law proposition, and affirms that we are holders of original rights because we are the original Peoples. 
 
But it is important to take into account that historically we are also the last social group to have access to the recognition of full citizenship, right? Until the end of the 70’s, Indigenous People were considered incapable and under the tutelage of the State. This policy of guardianship integration, prohibition of languages and official policies that committed series of violations or Human Rights over these populations has been deconstructed very slowly along, along the re-democratization in Brazil that began in 1988, right? So I’m commenting on this because Indigenous rights are more recent than other previous laws. 

[24:44] Marianna: Brazil has always been inhabited by Indigenous Peoples, long before colonization. Living according to their ancestral knowledge. Indigenous ancestry is evident especially when it comes to Isolated Peoples – that is, peoples who have no known contact with outsiders. 

[25:04] Varin Mema [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: We can’t break into other people’s houses trying to make them live like us.

[25:10] Marianna: This is Varin Mema of the Marubo people. She holds a doctorate in social anthropology at the National Museum and she’s in project development at the Department of Isolated Peoples and Recent Contacted of COIAB. COIAB is the Coordination of Indigenous Organizations of the Brazilian Amazon. 

[25:31] Varin Mema [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: So "isolated" is a term that comes from the non-Indigenous perspective. They are just living in their environment, their way of being. They are living the way of being as we used to live in the old days. We often hear that they are underdeveloped – primitive – but in fact they are people who live their culture how they want. So that’s what we want you to respect, just as we, Indigenous People who come into non-Indigenous society, wanting to present our culture and our way of being. I think this whole process has to be respected. 

[26:17] Marianna: Working with Isolated Peoples is extremely delicate. 

[26:21] Varin Mema [Speaks in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: And it’s dangerous because they don’t know that we’re friends either. I mean, we are strangers. So conflict can happen. So the contacted, they have a health vulnerability, to virus, flu, that sort of thing. It is already strong for us, so imagine for them that are more vulnerable? They can get sick and die. 

[26:47] [Sound of call-and-response chanting at Free Land Camp 2024]  

[27:17] Marianna: The conquest of the civil and political rights of Indigenous Peoples in Brazil is the result of a continuous struggle, which spans immemorial generations. This struggle is political, and it is also for the rights to do politics.  

Joênia Wapichana was the first Indigenous congresswoman elected in 2018. Under the Aldear a Política campaign in 2022, federal deputies Sonia Guajajara and Célia Xakriabá were elected. The conquest of these positions by Indigenous women in Congress is a source of great pride and celebration. When the Ministry of Indigenous Peoples was created in 2023, Sonia Guajajara was appointed to lead it. 

However, in order to guarantee full citizenship for Indigenous Peoples in Brazil, it is necessary that much more original representatives are present in power. And that their presence and performance are respected and taken seriously, so that Indigenous rights are not, as so often happens, a law that only applies on paper. 

The last day of the camp was marked by speeches of these Indigenous women who are now in Brazilian politics. They gathered on stage of the main tent during the plenary “Aldear a Política,” which means something like “make politics a village.” It was aimed at discussing reparations and affirmative action. 

Célia Xakriabá, a congress legislator elected by PSOL of Minas Gerais, began her speech by making people sing with her.

[29:01] [Célia Xakriabá leadspeople in song at the gathering] 

[29:14] Marianna: And then, she honored Mário Juruna of the Xavante people, who was the first Indigenous representative, elected in 1982, six years before the promulgation of the current Brazilian Constitution. Mário Juruna.  

[29:33] Célia Xakriabá: [Speaking at the event, in Portuguese, with AI overdub in English]: Juruna present! Juruna, our first elected Indigenous Representative in Brazil. When there was no Brazilian federal constitution, Juruna did important work. And I have said that if Juruna had attended the National Congress today he would be disappointed by how much the National Congress has let the herd step upon our rights.

I address the National Congress, you who are of a more conservative party: Ask your son when you go home, if he likes the Indigenous People. I’m sure they do. 

When we run for office we fight racism. Because those who vote in Indigenous candidacies, they vote for the struggle of the Indigenous Peoples. And it is common for people to find my relatives there in Minas Gerais, the Indigenous students, and say to me: I am happy to vote for you. 

[31:00] Marianna: The radical social diversity that the Free Land Camp gathers demonstrates that Peoples from different cultures, languages and territories share the same goal: The struggle to defend the rights, lands and well-being of Indigenous Peoples. 

[31:20] [We hear an extended collage of people at the 2024 Free Land Camp speaking in Indigenous languages] 

[32:28] Marianna: It’s a fight for everyone, for planet Earth, for the climate, for social justice. No matter where in the world you are, this fight is also for you.  

[32:40] [Music from Free Land Camp 2024, singing, melodic instruments and percussion continue] 

[Seedcast theme song begins]

[33:26] Marianna: Thank you for listening. And thank you to all of those who shared their voices for this episode: Rafael Arbelaez, Elon Jacintho, Kretã  Kaingang, Kleber Karipuana, Simão Norivaldo Guarani Kaiowá, Altaci Kokama, Ariabo Kezo, Josimara Melgueiro, Varin Mema, Valeria Paye, Adrielle Poty, Tania Ramirez, Sof’ Mira, Jociel Tariano, Alberto Terena, Daiara Tukano, Célia Xakriabá, Genésio Yanomami, and Yaku.  

English overdubs were artificially generated by ElevenLabs Artificial Intelligence. 

Thank you to all of the Peoples who shared their chants and music and made this episode come alive. 

You can learn more about Acampamento Terra Livre, or Free Land Camp, through the organizer APIB. Find them on Instagram and other social media - search for APIBoficial.  
This episode was produced and mixed by me, Marianna Romano, with interviews and additional production, also by Idjahure Kadiwel. Story editing by Jenny Asarnow and Maria Fernanda Ribeiro. 

Translations by me, with Portuguese transcriptions by Luiz Hargreaves. 

Ideas for this episode were developed along with Tracy Rector, Jessica Ramirez, Julie Keck, Stina Hamlin and Ha’aheo Auwae-Dekker.   

Thanks to Maria Fernanda Ribeiro, Nara Baré, Daniella Lerda, and Idjahure Kadiwel for their support on this episode.   

Thanks to Neyda Ortiz Sundt and Ashley Green for travel and business support, and Eleni Ledesma for managing releases.  

Thanks to the Nia Tero communications team on social and digital: Nancy Kelsey, Alex Robinson, Laurine Peel, Luana Polinesio, Bruno Weis, and Hill Ossip.  Seedcast Graphics are by Cindy Chischilly. The Seedcast theme song is “Rooted” by Mia Kami.  

Nia Tero is a Seattle-based foundation. We’re both Indigenous and non-Indigenous Peoples with a mission to secure Indigenous guardianship for all vital ecosystems. That means we provide support to Indigenous Peoples globally who are protecting their homelands from colonization and destruction. Their practices are one of our best guides for making Earth livable for generations to come.  

Here at Seedcast, our guests represent themselves. They do not necessarily reflect the views of Nia Tero. We honor their honest perspectives and lived experiences.   

And thank you to everyone at APIB for your work in the service of Indigenous rights. Obrigado! 

[Seedcast theme song continues]